Your right, respect for your wife, children, others, tolerance. Be a hard working industrious person, it's all just the ramblings of someone bent on destroying the peace in your life.
What do you expect from a newbi, I'm SOOO decieved! NOT
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Minimus, what's your history? How trapped are you?
by Its so simple inmin, my wife is 'was duped' and i joke with her about how we are on the same chapter instead of the same page.
she has some anger issues to say the least.
she has said there is some story with your wife?
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Feelings & Disagreements
by Megaera ini noticed something that was said on another thread, and it's off the topic of the particular thread, so i'm giving it a spot of its own.i think that's the source of a lot of our problems when it comes to race ignorance of others' feelings as well as pent-up hurt feelings that need to get out.. .
those are very intelligent words, and i believe they go beyond the issue of race.
they can probably be applied to every disagreement between any two people anywhere on the planet.
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I think it was Frued who said "kill everyone under the age of 4 and you will eliminate racism".
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Minimus, what's your history? How trapped are you?
by Its so simple inmin, my wife is 'was duped' and i joke with her about how we are on the same chapter instead of the same page.
she has some anger issues to say the least.
she has said there is some story with your wife?
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The funny thing is, I feel like I'm already out. Others just don't know it yet. I still understand the importance of bible study and living my life according to the bible. THIS alone is truly the best way of life. It eliminates so many problems that come from ignoring the wisdom of the bible.
I'm very happy to hear about your wife. I always think of how fortunate I am to have my wife with me ( or at least on the same chapter ) it would be horrible to live in a house and have to live a lie to someone you love. It was 'was_duped's understanding that she didn't have much of an idea of how you felt. I have learned how to view the comments of others unemotionally. If you realize that the Borg uses mind control, then what will you expect people to say? Even people you respect? Their thoughts and words are not their own when it comes to evaluating the 'spiritual descisions' of others. Therefore they can be easily discarded as not their own. This limits the emotional impact as well. I take the approach of laughing all the way to the bank when I hear what others are thinking of me. Currently I'm being 'caught up in materialism.' Maybe I'll get into kinky sex practices next, I'll have to speak with one of the local congregation sex offender elders for advice on that one ;-)
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JW's How do you see whats odd here?
by Its so simple inyou never here about compassion for mankind unless it's at the end of the guilt sentence of ' you have a responsibility to preach'.
if you ask a specific question to 50 catholic's or mormons, or bahai's, whatever, you will get at least 45 to 50 different answers.
if you ask a specific question to a jw about meeting attendance, birthdays etc you will likely get the same answer from 48 of those 50 people.
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You never here about compassion for mankind unless it's at the end of the guilt sentence of ' YOU have a responsibility to preach'. If you ask a specific question to 50 Catholic's or Mormons, or Bahai's, whatever, you will get at least 45 to 50 different answers. If you ask a specific question to a JW about meeting attendance, birthdays etc you will likely get the SAME answer from 48 of those 50 people. What ever happened to the Boreans who searched the scriptures and came to their own conclusions? I'll bet if you asked 50 Boreans about the resurrection you would likely get 50 different answers as well. The answers would well reflect the social experience and background of the individual. JW's are the only one's who can get the same answer from a college degree holding CEO that they get from a food-stamp-using, uneducated person with little or no cultural exposure. How do you explain this? = Mind control. You could make 500k per year, give 4/5's of your income to charity, be praised for your contributions publicly ie newspaper, TV etc. Have children who are model citizens. Your sick incontinent mother in law lives with you who you personally care for and you are STILL VIEWED as WEAK IN THE TRUTH because you are irregular at the meetings and only get in 4 hours per month in service! Now ask yourself, are you saying in your mind right now, "well a truly spiritual person would appreciate the importance of the meetings and feeding at Jehovah's table"? Still don't believe in mind control? Visiting these forums and other websites are the first step in unraveling your mind. You will fight it at first because it's too much to take. I know an Elder who learned all the ugliness about the 'B'org and did a 180 and went back deep into the org because he couldn't face where he was going. Alone, with no recognition ( he is very respected in the org & quite influential) he knew he would be derided as being foolish etc and face life with his wife that he has conveniently neglected ( he can't stand her, knocked her up at an early age and had to get married ) for the sake of theocratic privileges. Previously a liberal, he became a hard line, party line toting Nazi. No one say's you have to leave today, but don't close your eyes to the truth and let them think for you. If this is any help to lurkers, let me know, go to hotmail.com or yahoo.com and fill out a bogus email, sign up here, and share your fears without fear of reprisal. The truth WILL set you free.
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Minimus, what's your history? How trapped are you?
by Its so simple inmin, my wife is 'was duped' and i joke with her about how we are on the same chapter instead of the same page.
she has some anger issues to say the least.
she has said there is some story with your wife?
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Min, my wife is 'was duped' and I joke with her about how we are on the same chapter instead of the same page. She has some anger issues to say the least. She has said there is some story with your wife? Whats up there? If there is a better way for me to converse with you rather than the open board, let me know.
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Why On Earth Did You Ever Become A Witness & What Made You Decide To Leave?
by minimus ini've known for years that if i was visited at my home by jehovah's witnesses, i would have become a do not call.
i would have firmly but politely told the witnesses to never come back to my door and bother me again.
since i was raised "in the truth", i learned the religion from infancy.
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Minimus, I think we were of the same 'circle'. You 'know' what I'm talking about.
I'm amazed to see 75 some hits to my post. I think it's very hard for some because they have never truly done all they wanted to, or were pressured to do. So in the back of their mind their is feelings of guilt and "they were right" or they just feel like a luzer in the eyes of these 'men'. But that is all they are is men.
I wonder just how many lurkers are reading that post. To this day, NO ONE will approach me or ask me 'where have you been'. It seems they find the "lame publishers" easy targets. They prey on the weak. But they don't quite know what to say to someone who was a peer. I have made little or no comment to anyone about how I feel and what my reasons were. So they would have to approach me blind. I think part of the problem is they would have to accuse a man of respect with no justifiable cause. Of course this has never stopped them in the past. But for some reason, with my lack of 'christian activity' and meeting attendance I'm not easy to talk to. I don't really know why, and I don't really care. It's more of an intellectual exercise more than anything I think.
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My JW start & the beginning of the end... Why I did it, what made me stop..
by Its so simple ini came in when i was 17-18. studied with an elder with the intent of proving him wrong to get back at my psycho 'dub mom.
at the time it made sense.
thus started over two decades of service.
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OK, to answer, the "what Jesus would do."
My neighbor lost his job, I live below my means, and very little means a lot to him. I spoke with my gardener and asked if I could hold his services to give my neighbor the job for the Summer. He was OK with it so....
Jesus probably wouldn't have a gardner to start with I would think but I don't mean to say that I know how he would solve the middle East crisis or anything, but in the day to day life desicions I face, I try to do the best I can. Problematic? I don't think so.
I don't think it's rocket science. Indeed, he didn't leave a difficult pattern to understand, it's the doing it part that gets tricky.
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My JW start & the beginning of the end... Why I did it, what made me stop..
by Its so simple ini came in when i was 17-18. studied with an elder with the intent of proving him wrong to get back at my psycho 'dub mom.
at the time it made sense.
thus started over two decades of service.
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I came in when I was 17-18. Studied with an Elder with the intent of proving him wrong to get back at my psycho 'dub mom. At the time it made sense.
Thus started over two decades of service. I must say though, I have no regrets. I truly did it all. I listened when they said, can you do more? Cut back my schedule at work and served more. Moved to where the need was great. Realized I could do more if I made more per hour, so I started my own business on the side and built it up until I could quit my professional job. It was hard work, but I was making enough where I only had to work 1.5 days a week. This led to almost a decade of pioneering.
I was married during all this time. We became part of the 'inner circle' of the truly righteous although I didn't realize it at the time. I'm the easiest guy in the world to get along with but am also very bombastic and speak my mind. This made for an excellent public speaking abilities but led to several political battles. In this 'perfect society' my abilities were the kind that promote jealousy and envy. I became part of the two polarized political elements of society/congregation. The liberal and conservative. It seemed like hardly two meetings would go by where there wasn't some fight about what was or was not OK for the flock, or me, or my wife etc, my talks etc. Then came the gay circuit overseer. Ultra conservative, who empowered the Nazi's and the balance of power was shifted. It became insane. A witch-hunt ensued for any liberal that could be nailed for the simplest thing, not living in the territory, wife who didn't make the publisher average, meeting attendance. The axe fell again and again. Good sincere elders were being removed everywhere.( This really is the short version ) I had kids at this time and a lot of pressure and stress hit. I realized at this time that I had to do what everyone else was doing, look out for my family and me. It was also at this time while having very active children, that I'm happy to say I took an active role in raising, that I realized there are NO CHILDREN back where our insane meeting/reading schedule comes from. They tell us what we need to do to live and save our children at Armageddon while sitting in the box seats at the district convulsions. What a load of shi*! They have NO IDEA what it's like to raise a family in the real world. Or for that matter what 'worldly people' are like. It is so skewed and out of whack. I would really love to see some numbers about how many failed marriages, drug addiction, pedophile etc there is among the JW cult compared to the general population. There are more freaks and whacko's in the 'windowless compounds' than any other single place I have been since my fade. Out of left field I was accused of masterminding a complex apostate website. A brother came out from Bethel to investigate etc. I couldn't believe what was happening. It was a railroading. In the end I was exonerated. A friend of mine who had been aware of what was happening asked me if I had seen 'my website'? I said , "no". It was at that time I looked at 'apostate' information for the first time. It was compelling to say the least. I had been aware of the GLARING similarities between our organization and the Pharisee's condemned by Jesus. I always felt they were the conservatives ;-). I'm sure it was because I was in so deep that it took a while for me to see that the Pharisee syndrome and mind control came right down from the top. I resigned my position in the congregation. I read COConscience. Browsed the 'boards', websites etc. Now I'm fading. Have family in, but they are all passive aggressive freaks that either do nothing ( unless they are on some self righteous soap box ) or there are others that do a lot for the recognition. No one knows me here, I have no one to impress, So I can say here, I did what I did because I believed in Jesus & Jehovah. I always asked the question "what would Jesus do?" I have tried to live that way. I have no regrets now, mostly because I'm successful in business and have a nice future, come what may. I have no doubt that my decision to quit my job early in life and go into business on my own brought this about. So in my case, my speaking opportunities and work in field service ( perfect sales training ) has actually given me a good life. A life that would likely not have ever come in my previous professional position.
I feel I know who Jesus is and what he would have me do in most situations. If I'm wrong, I believe in the ransom for what it is. Not as the "B"org has watered it down to become with stipulations of works, meetings, field service etc. You will know the truth and the truth TRULY will set you free. Not the 'trooth'. I truly feel sorry for those under the control of the Watchtower. I have not gone to another church. I still go from time to time. If you are not under the mind control, you are free to listen. There is so much drivel that I usually try to plan my attendance around information that is good for me, IE talks etc on Christian character. I do this mainly because I mean to do it on my own but it never happens. If I misjudge the content of the talk, I use the time to read my Bible.
As I sit here, I realize how this has exhausted me to tell. Having been one who 'did it all' you can see a deficiency in those who are on this board who didn't. The guilt either still reigns in their life, or they have so much anger over the years of it controlling them they can't see straight. My advice is, life your life with honor with respect for others. Seek to help wherever you can. I'm going to lie down..........
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Why On Earth Did You Ever Become A Witness & What Made You Decide To Leave?
by minimus ini've known for years that if i was visited at my home by jehovah's witnesses, i would have become a do not call.
i would have firmly but politely told the witnesses to never come back to my door and bother me again.
since i was raised "in the truth", i learned the religion from infancy.
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I came in when I was 17-18. Studied with an Elder with the intent of proving him wrong to get back at my psycho 'dub mom. At the time it made sense. Thus started over two decades of service. I must say though, I have no regrets. I truly did it all. I listened when they said, can you do more? Cut back my schedule at work and served more. Moved to where the need was great. Realized I could do more if I made more per hour, so I started my own business on the side and built it up until I could quit my professional job. It was hard work, but I was making enough where I only had to work 1.5 days a week. This led to almost a decade of pioneering. I was married during all this time. We became part of the 'inner circle' of the truly righteous although I didn't realize it at the time. I'm the easiest guy in the world to get along with but am also very bombastic and speak my mind. This made for an excellent public speaking abilities but led to several political battles. In this 'perfect society' my abilities were the kind that promote jealousy and envy. I became part of the two polarized political elements of society/congregation. The liberal and conservative. It seemed like hardly two meetings would go by where there wasn't some fight about what was or was not OK for the flock, or me, or my wife etc, my talks etc. Then came the gay circuit overseer. Ultra conservative, who empowered the Nazi's and the balance of power was shifted. It became insane. A witch-hunt ensued for any liberal that could be nailed for the simplest thing, not living in the territory, wife who didn't make the publisher average, meeting attendance. The axe fell again and again. Good sincere elders were being removed everywhere.( This really is the short version ) I had kids at this time and a lot of pressure and stress hit. I realized at this time that I had to do what everyone else was doing, look out for my family and me. It was also at this time while having very active children, that I'm happy to say I took an active role in raising, that I realized there are NO CHILDREN back where our insane meeting/reading schedule comes from. They tell us what we need to do to live and save our children at Armageddon while sitting in the box seats at the district convulsions. What a load of shi*! They have NO IDEA what it's like to raise a family in the real world. Or for that matter what 'worldly people' are like. It is so skewed and out of whack. I would really love to see some numbers about how many failed marriages, drug addiction, pedophile etc there is among the JW cult compared to the general population. There are more freaks and whacko's in the 'windowless compounds' than any other single place I have been since my fade. Out of left field I was accused of masterminding a complex apostate website. A brother came out from Bethel to investigate etc. I couldn't believe what was happening. It was a railroading. In the end I was exonerated. A friend of mine who had been aware of what was happening asked me if I had seen 'my website'? I said , "no". It was at that time I looked at 'apostate' information for the first time. It was compelling to say the least. I had been aware of the GLARING similarities between our organization and the Pharisee's condemned by Jesus. I always felt they were the conservatives ;-). I'm sure it was because I was in so deep that it took a while for me to see that the Pharisee syndrome and mind control came right down from the top. I resigned my position in the congregation. I read COConscience. Browsed the 'boards', websites etc. Now I'm fading. Have family in, but they are all passive aggressive freaks that either do nothing ( unless they are on some self righteous soap box ) or there are others that do a lot for the recognition. No one knows me here, I have no one to impress, So I can say here, I did what I did because I believed in Jesus & Jehovah. I always asked the question "what would Jesus do?" I have tried to live that way. I have no regrets now, mostly because I'm successful in business and have a nice future, come what may. I have no doubt that my decision to quit my job early in life and go into business on my own brought this about. So in my case, my speaking opportunities and work in field service ( perfect sales training ) has actually given me a good life. A life that would likely not have ever come in my previous professional position. I feel I know who Jesus is and what he would have me do in most situations. If I'm wrong, I believe in the ransom for what it is. Not as the "B"org has watered it down to become with stipulations of works, meetings, field service etc. You will know the truth and the truth TRULY will set you free. Not the 'trooth'. I truly feel sorry for those under the control of the Watchtower. I have not gone to another church. I still go from time to time. If you are not under the mind control, you are free to listen. There is so much drivel that I usually try to plan my attendance around information that is good for me, IE talks etc on Christian character. I do this mainly because I mean to do it on my own but it never happens. If I misjudge the content of the talk, I use the time to read my Bible. As I sit here, I realize how this has exhausted me to tell. Having been one who 'did it all' you can see a deficiency in those who are on this board who didn't. The guilt either still reigns in their life, or they have so much anger over the years of it controlling them they can't see straight. My advice is, life your life with honor with respect for others. Seek to help wherever you can. I'm going to lie down..........
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Funchback Update
by Funchback ingreetings to all who are reading this post.
i haven't started a thread for several months.
i haven't even stopped by very often.
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Funch,
One other thing. Be aware that your wife may IN FACT be USED in a deceitful way by the “kind shepards’ in your hall. If and when it happens, don’t take it personally. She would very well be doing it for what she was convinced was for your own good.
After she comes around then you can slap her around for it. ;-)
Sincerely,
NoBorg